kiki does serious times

bahah omg for a serious post i lol’d like woah at that first pic

Beautifully expressed, Kiki. Serious times suits you. Even though I’m out of the League closet now, my dad brought me up with Union and I have spent my entire life defending the game and my love for it. Union players do really stupid shit too. I agree, it gets exhausting. My only saving grace over here has been that football (soccer) is so scandalous that it’s sometimes overshadowed the wrong-doings in rugby.

And a message to the old cigar smoking men who told me I was only at the Cardiff matches to perv at the players: Wrong. Being a woman just makes the view slightly nicer. My female status does not impact upon my ability to understand the rules of the game.

Sidenote: I never thought I would see the Welsh language in use on Errol. How on earth did you find a copy of the Communist manifesto in WELSH?

Brysia i wella! (Welsh Translation: Get well soon!)

havent read your whole comment yet, but James have you heard of a brilliant woman called Kaye Page? She was the first woman to be elected to the board and she is as passionate as these girls who write here. She was also the brainchild behind domayne, which has been a huge success for the Harvey Norman chain- so dont underestimate the power of women in Rugby league. if they were given half a bloody chance, then yes. youre right they could make a difference. but at the end of the day (its a game of two halves etc.) its a mans world, and thats going to be hard to overcome.

Also- I love AFL (probs more than NRL; dont shoot me) but I dont like it because of some patronising, pre game panel. I love it because Ive grown up on it. Its like vegemite.

we are allowed to love AFL, we just arent allowed to talk about it on here hehe

Serious times. I don’t know what to think at the moment tbh. But can’t help but make a serious comment I guess

I just wish some of the footy players weren’t so incredibly DUMB to put themselves in positions that can only reflect badly on them, and the game that I grew up loving.

Despite them being just regular young guys and all that, I kind of wish the other regular young guys that play but don’t put themselves in these dumb scenarios would stand up to the clowns that do a little bit more? Just for the sake of their team, and for the sake of the game and sponsorship/fans etc that pay them quite generously to make their living…

I was so excited by the finals after Sunday night’s fantastic game and result, and now to be honest I find myself not caring so much? All because of some really DUMB guys who (perhaps like wider society too, but still) think mainly with their dicks… and think they have some god-given right to jump 40min taxi queues as well!

the broncos are my team, and i am not having a say on the incidents, coz matter of factly, i am not making a comment until the investigation is complete…

but from the reports one of my best friends turned around and went “well maybe its a reflection on my freinds, but majority of them would have been in a similar sexual encounter..” people are carrying on as if its only footy players who do this kind of thing… truth is, it isn’t… they just cop the slack because oh look at that people know their names… If it was anyone else, it wouldn’t seriously be in the paper until the investigation was over and the details were released…

(JUST MAKING IT CLEAR THAT I AM STATING THE ABOVE ASSUMING INNOCENCE UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY…)

To be perfectly honest, I dont even know how much of it is a male thing. Maybe its just me, but if I were in their position Id probably be doing the same thing; even as a girl. I wouldnt (allegedly) sexually assault anyone though obviously because thats just not on- no matter who you are.

*deep breath*

It’s OK, I think I’m alright now?

I found a Coolio song that has helped me put it all in perspective… and move on (at least until the next dumb incident surfaces)!

I hate defending league, but I am proud of my sport, proud of my club, no matter what happens.

Kiki; the thing I really like about your post is that you have said things people have wanted to say, but the way you have said it is the exact same words people have been missing when they defend our sport. You couldn’t have done it more spot on.

not just would say yes to it … they do say yes. it happens all the time.

I hate thaiday being involved in a scandal at all, but if it turns out it was assault too I will be so rageful and disappointed. UNACCEPTABLE THAIDAY.

jade – always thinking about logistics!

disabled cubicle?

Imagine if as they left there was a guy in a wheelchair waiting to use the toilet…

Now *that* would be scandalous

bahah jade. my mum said WHAT WAS A GIRL DOING IN THE BOYS TOILETS ANYWAY? oh mum.

ps i KNEW i didn’t like thaiday! i’m always right bbs. you can’t fight my instincts.

bahaha adge. EXTRA EXTRA! BRONCOS DISREGARD THE DISABLED!

that happened to me at the races one time. except it was a woman. a very very angry woman. im sorry lady but i was about to pee my pants and it was for the public good that i used your special toilet. im sorrrrry.

I’m sorry to drag on these comments kids, but considering that the allegations against the boys are criminal, does it seem ridiculous to anyone that they are still in the named side after sleeping in was enough to give thaiday the boot before?

or that the queensland police minister is giving public statements to support the team when surely she shouldn’t be giving them one way of the other?

I’m starting to feel a bit outragey. I think it only makes the whole situation worse to deal with problems in a way that appears to be biased, even if that’s not necessarily true; it undermines the credibility of whatever the result ends up being.

yes you are prudish bart. for a man anyway!

LESSIE LEAGUE LOVER! Lesbian Bec has competition now. the manlove is probably my favourite part of league too. that and the violence.

lol @ Loz.

I can picture it now, Tomb raider style.

jessica I couldn’t disagree with you more about this. responsibility or obligations don’t change based on whether it’s ‘date rape’ or what you see as Proper Sexual Assault.

even if you can say a woman’s actions put her in a situation where rape was more likely, you can just as easily say that a man under the influence of alcohol drank himself to that point, so whatever he did or didn’t do afterwards – even if it was due to ‘a misunderstanding’ – is still his responsibility.

the only difference as I see it in cases where someone changes their mind or gives limited consent is that there is a much better chance to reduce the instances of it happening again. it’s not less unacceptable, but if you accept that there IS occasionally some confusion about what is and isn’t ok, then you also admit there is a chance that education will make a difference.

yes ‘date rape’ or consent can be confusing, but maybe that means that the nrl in particular should take the opportunity they have to educate players (like michael hall wrote in the tele) … I won’t accept that it’s a justification for us all to say OH IT’S TOO HARD and forget about it.

you are a feminist lesbian! and that’s why I love you.

That Michael Hall article was a good one. The game (as employer) has a duty of care to its players, that should extend beyond just the playing bits of their employment – especially where the behaviour ends up having a detrimental effect on the game (in terms of image, sponsorship and community support.

Trouble is that up until now the NRL have said the clubs are each responsible for that. And the current Broncos stuff pretty much shows that no club is really up to it by themselves, it has to come from the top, for the benefits to really come.

You’re right. The truth is we don’t really know what happened. So it’s all speculation right now. And i’m pretty sure both parties are exaggerating to suit themselves. I think if force was used in order for them to continue having sex (physical, intimidation) with her after she made it clear that she didnt want to continue having sex then yeah, that’s rape. But (innocent) misunderstandings do happen when sex and alcohol are combined and if someone was to take advantage of the individual factors to cry rape then that’s shameful.

I’m just tired of all this bullshit. I’m tired of women thinking they don’t have any personal responsibility in all of this. The most empowering thing a woman can do for herself is to not be a fucking dickhead. The world is a dangerous place, rape is hard to prove, why the fuck would anyone in their right mind put themselves in such a position in the first place? Does that mean it’s ‘all her fault’? Well, no. It’s not even about blaming the victim or anything as retarded as that, i think the issues should be kept separate. The players are responsible for their own actions. If it turns out they did use force or intimidation to continue then i would hope they’d be punished appropriately for it. They should be reprimanded even if they didn’t rape her because i’m sorry, call me a prude, but group sex in a public toilet is not on and shouldn’t be encouraged.

I’m a feminist and i’m proud of it but i really don’t see what feminism has to do with any of this to be quite honest. I just expect more from women. And to be honest i expected more from those players. All that money to help educate them just so they can have sex in toilets? What a fucking joke.

At the end of the day it’s innocent until proven guilty and i think that’s fair enough. For now i’m sticking with judging them harshly on their choice to have sex in public.

I think the question of the dumb situations people put themselves in and the question of sexual assault and personal responsibility are completely different. but I do understand you a little bit more clearly now jessica.

it’s equivalent to the difference between football players getting blind in public places and putting themselves AT RISK of doing stupid things, bringing the club into disrepute, raising their chances of being involved in something criminal or unsavoury … and the issue of IF they did sexually assault someone.

even if they didn’t sexually assault anyone, they are still idiots for putting themselves in the situation they did and they should have known better.

whether or not it’s right, or ideal, it’s still always a good idea for people to be careful – you should be able to rely on other people to do the right thing, but you can’t. and that applies to both sexes, I don’t expect women to be smarter or more cautious just by virtue of being women.

I do think you make a distinction that doesn’t exist though between ‘misunderstandings’ and ‘force’ – assuming the other person doesn’t want to continue, then to go on is force, regardless of whether they are consciously coercing someone or coercing them through ignorance or delusion or blissful unawareness. and I guess that’s where the michael hall ‘learn about ladies’ classes come in.